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Jul 3, 2013 20:31:01 GMT
Post by Thylacine on Jul 3, 2013 20:31:01 GMT
Hi, Just thought I'd mention this, as it's only the four of us. It is a BIG issue but I don't think I've heard anyone else talk about it other than my immediate work collegues. What do you think??? It makes me very pessimistic for Asian elephants both captive and in the wild. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_endotheliotropic_herpesvirus Fossa/Lefty/H, I'd particularly welcome your thoughts as a consmed vet.
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Jul 3, 2013 21:17:06 GMT
Post by Fossa on Jul 3, 2013 21:17:06 GMT
This is really worrying. Clearly the epidemiology is complex and far from understood. It doesn't help with how poorly-publicised the disease is (I've never seen it mentioned in BBC Wildlife, for example) - it's a massive conservation concern and perhaps if there were better publicity it would generate more active support for elephant conservation and drum up more money for research. It's not like it's just an issue that's affecting zoos. AHVLA/Surrey University were looking for a PhD student a year or so ago, to carry out further research about the virus, with the ultimate goal of creating vaccine. (I hope they found someone, I think it was only partially-funded.) This is probably the ideal way of managing the disease (for captive elephants, anyway), but a vaccine is probably a good few years away, so I hope populations can hang on until then. The fact that there are many healthy asymptomatic carriers makes it particularly challenging. I assume zoo elephants are now routinely screened before they are moved to new collections? Otherwise that's a great way of spreading the virus! If these were cattle, and this was TB, positive reactors would be culled, but clearly that's not appropriate here (!) - and the vast majority are probably fine. It sounds like it's mainly an issue with calves, whose immune systems have not yet fully developed. But you can't go separating them from the rest of the herd until this has happened, for obvious reasons. For the time being, I guess the only way of dealing with it is, firstly, to screen zoo elephants prior to movement to new collections (although I suppose there is an argument of, what's the point, if the virus potentially is there in the recipient collection? And what would you do if you found a positive?) And secondly, early treatment with antivirals if there is even the remotest suspicion that a calf has been affected by the virus. I know it says that the antivirals are expensive, and far from 100%, but surely zoos can afford these, and it gives the best possible chance of recovery if treatment is given very early. I guess there's no case for prophylactic use - it sounds like calves can be affected at any time over the first few years of life. The only other thing I can think of is more effective antivirals. For wild elephants, things look even worse. I expect all that can be done is to wait for a vaccine, then see if it would be feasible to somehow administer this to wild populations - which I would have thought is highly unlikely with these animals! I wish I could be more positive. P.S. Thylacine, are you going to keep referring to me as this?
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Jul 4, 2013 19:34:29 GMT
Post by Fossa on Jul 4, 2013 19:34:29 GMT
This is just to show that I replied, as I edited my original post.
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Jul 4, 2013 20:55:18 GMT
Post by Thylacine on Jul 4, 2013 20:55:18 GMT
1. The fact that there are many healthy asymptomatic carriers makes it particularly challenging. I assume zoo elephants are now routinely screened before they are moved to new collections? Otherwise that's a great way of spreading the virus! 2. And secondly, early treatment with antivirals if there is even the remotest suspicion that a calf has been affected by the virus. 3. For wild elephants, things look even worse. I expect all that can be done is to wait for a vaccine, then see if it would be feasible to somehow administer this to wild populations - which I would have thought is highly unlikely with these animals! I wish I could be more positive. 4. P.S. Thylacine, are you going to keep referring to me as this? Serious stuff: Sadly, EEHV is a disease in it's scientific infancy with limited funding forthcoming. We're pretty clueless about it and it's epidemiology seems complicated. You wouldn't be surprised if I told you there is no screening and elephants are moved around willy nilly - because it's true. The clinical disease in the calf is acute to peracute so you get a few days to treat (if you are lucky) with a drug with dubious efficacy before the calf dies. The situation in the wild is frighteningly complicated and serious too. We really are in the dark about it EEHV is a big deal. Trivial stuff: I find names difficult. I find it easier to stick with what I'm familiar so to me you are Helen. Likewise I always like the first version of a song I listen to. I still prefer "Stairway to Heaven" by Rainbow rather than Led Zep as it was the first version I heard. Archie is Archie and not Neil nor Admin nor Ollie (where did that one come from?). I was taught a year of Latin at my old grammar school so "fossa" to me means "ditch". And I don't like the way it's meant to be pronounced "Fooosa" either.
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Jul 4, 2013 22:02:45 GMT
Post by cabbage on Jul 4, 2013 22:02:45 GMT
Thanks for that answer Fossa, really informative! This is really worrying. Clearly the epidemiology is complex and far from understood. It doesn't help with how poorly-publicised the disease is (I've never seen it mentioned in BBC Wildlife, for example) - it's a massive conservation concern and perhaps if there were better publicity it would generate more active support for elephant conservation and drum up more money for research. It's not like it's just an issue that's affecting zoos. Just picked this bit out of it to comment that this was an issue I had heard nothing about until this thread. This is certainly something that needs more publicity. I must admit that I sort of thought Elephants as a species were in an OK condition (as much as anything can be these days) and would be fine as long as we kept on top of things. In fact I had somewhere in the back of my mind that the main Elephant 'problem' these days was that their numbers were bouncing back too quickly for parks and infrastructure to cope!
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Jul 5, 2013 19:19:06 GMT
Post by Fossa on Jul 5, 2013 19:19:06 GMT
I am surprised that there is no screening when elephants are being moved around. Why not? Is it down to cost? Or because they wouldn't know what to do with a positive? Or simply an oversight? I thought you could easily screen for this using PCR. The fact that cabbage (someone with an extensive interest in wildlife) hasn't heard of this says it all to me. More publiciity!!!! I studied Latin for five years but can't recall ever encountering the word fossa, they obviously didn't teach me properly. I prefer to pronounce it as in 'fossil'.
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Aug 2, 2013 21:27:15 GMT
Post by Thylacine on Aug 2, 2013 21:27:15 GMT
Man... another... sheesh... this is bad. There is a bit of publicity generated with this one but still quite hush hush.
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Aug 3, 2013 21:14:42 GMT
Post by Fossa on Aug 3, 2013 21:14:42 GMT
Yes, I was sad to find out about this - I saw it on a Facebook news feed. Things are looking really bad. On a positive note, I was glad to see this finally getting some publicity - I hope that more stories are published about this and that word will get around. It's not like it's just affecting zoos. The general public will particularly care about this, as it's affecting wild elephants too, and that's the way to generate more funding for further research. I think the more scientists researching this, the better.
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